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Saturday, August 19, 2006

2.3 Epistemology

Within scholarly circles the main issue at hand in postmodernism is epistemology.

Modernism is often pictured as pursuing truth, absolutism, linear thinking, rationalism, certainty, the cerebral as opposed to the affective… Postmodernism, by contrast, recognizes how much of what we “know” is shaped by the culture in which we live, is controlled by emotions and aesthetics and heritage, and in fact can only be intelligently held as part of a common tradition, without overbearing claims to being true or right.[1]

And even Stanley Grenz agrees with Carson on this issue.[2] Yet quite a few Emerging Church writers seem to understand postmodernism at best as something more than epistemology, at worst as something altogether different than epistemology[3]. ‘The support for this understanding of postmodernism’ (i.e. The understanding that the shift in epistemology is the main thing that defines postmodernism) ‘is so widespread and common that it is curious that some in the emerging church question it.’[4] If it comes to this aspect of postmodernism the Emerging Church is often a bit vague. Most of them don’t go as far as to be completely relativist, but they do distant themselves quite strongly from the absolutism of modernism.[5] Leonard Sweet shows appreciation for deconstruction as being ‘One of the most important philosophical/interpretive concepts of postmodernity.’ And further on: ‘Learning to understand and respect deconstruction may be the hardest challenge of all for modern Christian leaders.’ [6] Bolger and Gibbs write: ‘Emerging church leaders are under no compulsion to stand up and fight for truth.’[7] In their official response to criticism however they write: ‘we truly believe there is such a thing as truth and truth matters… we are not moral or epistemological relativists.’[8] At present the majority of the Emerging Church writers seem to be working towards, and expecting a synthesis of the absolutism of modernism and the relativism of postmodernism.

While this synthesis will come, one day, it doesn't seem to [b]e helpful to critique [a] group of pastors for not having delivered it yet. The chief virtue of Carson's book is its clear and repeated insistence that we shun this false antithesis. The chief shortcoming of Carson's book is its own failure to move beyond this antithesis.[9]

And Ken Archer is right. When Carson writes a chapter with his personal reflections on postmodernism’s contributions and challenges, he names three models ‘to help us think’ (respectively a fusion of horizons, hermeneutical spirals and the asymptotic approach)

without actually proving, objectively, any of them.[10] (…) Carson's third way beyond the false antithesis of absolute realism and subjectivism - what he calls soft postmodernism - is no third way at all, as it avoids answering the tough questions of either realism or subjectivism.[11]

And so the pot calls the kettle black. Because not only this ‘group of pastors’ can not find this third way (The solutions I have found so far are merely a gently described version of relativism or absolutism rather than an actual synthesis[12]), even someone like Grenz, a very influential theologian and scholar within the Emerging Church, doesn’t resolve this tension[13] and firmly rejects the postmodern epistemology.[14]
Anderson goes back on a very Barthian theology when dealing with epistemology. As Karl Barth he sees revelation as something senkrecht von oben. He introduces a phrase ‘naïve realism’, truth revealed and confessed. We find this naïve realism with the man whom Jesus healed, who was blind from birth who said: ‘One thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see’(John 9:25). We also find it with Peter when confessing: ‘You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God’(Mat.16:13-17). This of course doesn’t give any answers regarding the truth of those faith statements.
Another issue in Carson’s critique that many disagree with is his focus on the Emerging Churches’ epistemology:

The debate cannot be reduced to epistemology (…) I do not dispute that epistemology is crucial; I am only saying it is not the whole thing. What about the “holism”? and the “communal” nature of the movement? and especially its “missional” focus? What about how so many see the “work of God” in huge and embracing terms?[15]

One can wonder whether these things mentioned (holism, communal nature, missional focus) are actually part of this debate. We discuss epistemology because the Emerging Church wants to be relevant to postmodern culture, and epistemology is a foundational building block of that culture. When talking about holism, communal nature and missional focus we don’t necessarily talk about postmodern culture, rather these are elements of the Christian community that have always made them attractive to any culture, often though these elements confront that culture, rather than conform to it.

But if we want to value the movement for what they claim to be, we need to take a look at some other aspects of postmodernism that the Emerging Church understands to be important. Andrew Jones refers to the difference between postmodernism and postmodernity, a common separation in the literature (SEE FOOTNOTE 1 PAGE 2)
(…) postmodernism is not the same as postmodernity. And the cultural impact of the postmodern age (world after modernity) has significantly affected American life in the areas of architecture, cuisine, art, media, social conditions, aesthetics, economics, etc.[16]

Sweet and McLaren also state that postmodernism is more than philosophy. After having mentioned four variants of postmodernism as a philosophy (specifically Post-structuralism, the new Marxism, Neo pragmatism and Feminism) they argue:

The more interesting forms of postmodernism are the ones featured in this primer: as intellectual discourse, as style and posture-embodiment, and as culture. In fact, we can observe postmodernity developing as an emerging culture even before postmodernism as a worldview or philosophy is fully formed.[17]

[1] D.A. Carson, Becoming Conversant with the Emerging Church p.27
[2] S. Grenz, Renewing the centre: Evangelical Theology in a Post-Theological Era (Grand Rapids, Baker Academic, 2000) p.185, S. Grenz, A Primer on Postmodernism, p.5-8
[3] David Mills, The Emergent Church, – Another Perspective. A Critical Response to D. A. Carson’s Staley Lectures pp.5,6 (http://people.cedarville.edu/Employee/millsd/mills_staley_response.pdf)
[4] J.S. Hammett, An Ecclesiological Assessment of the Emerging Church Movement http://ateam.blogware.com/AnEcclesiologicalAssessment.Hammett.pdf
[5] Mark Driscoll, very involved in the Emerging Church in its early days, divides the group into three distinct types of Christians: ‘Relevants are theologically conservative evangelicals who are not as interested in reshaping theology as much as updating such things as worship styles, preaching styles, and church leadership structures. (…)Reconstructionists are generally theologically evangelical and dissatisfied with the current forms of church (e. g. seeker, purpose, contemporary). (…)[T]hey propose more informal, incarnational, and organic church forms such as house churches. (…) Revisionists are theologically liberal and question key evangelical doctrines, critiquing their appropriateness for the emerging postmodern world.’ (This last group would be strong relativist in their approach to truth) M. Driscoll, A Pastoral Perspective on the Emerging Church (http://criswell.wordpress.com/files/2006/03/3,2%20APastoralPerspectiveontheEmergentChurch)
[6] Leonard Sweet, Brian D. McLaren, Jerry Haselmayer, A Is for Abductive pp.87-90
[7] Eddie Gibbs, Ryan K. Bolger, Emerging Churches, p.124
[8] http://www.theooze.com/articles/article.cfm?id=1151
[9] http://kenarcher.typepad.com/theological_thought/2005/06/review_of_da_ca.html
[10] Interesting to see that Ken Archer, who is expecting a synthesis between absolutism and relativism uses phrases like ‘proving objectively’, by doing so showing that his epistemology is perhaps more modern than he thought it to be.
[11] http://kenarcher.typepad.com/theological_thought/2005/06/review_of_da_ca.html
[12] Andrew Jones for example writes: ‘It seems to me that a more or less postmodern church does not need to claim that the story we tell is absolutely true in the sense that it ought in principle to be accepted by all people as true. All we need to assert is that it is for us, as a community among other communities, in effect ‘absolutely’ true - not in any rationalist-foundational sense but - existentially - because we have accepted its claim on our lives. We have been called to give currency and credibility to a particular narrative about God, and to do so we must speak and act as though the story about God were absolutely true - or at least true enough to give our lives for. I wonder if perhaps this sort of understanding does not allow us to retain both the force of the truth claim and the particularity of the community that makes the claim. The postmodern unbeliever, who, as we know, is incredulous towards metanarratives, is not going to be asking whether this account of reality is absolutely true. His or her interest will be in whether it is a lived narrative worth engaging with.’ (http://www.opensourcetheology.net/node/682)
[13] In his discourse on the value of hermeneutics he even utilizes the language of the asymptotic method. When writing about Dilthey’s inductive exegetical process he says: ‘…it will only bring us close to the truth.’ S. Grenz, A Primer on Postmodernism, p.103
[14] S. Grenz, A Primer on Postmodernism, p.165-167
[15] S. McKnight, http://www.jesuscreed.org/?p=14
[16] http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/tallskinnykiwi/2005/12/emerging_church_1.html
[17] Leonard Sweet, Brian D. McLaren, Jerry Haselmayer, A Is for Abductive,p.241

3 Comments:

Blogger Seven Star Hand said...

Hi Jesse,

RE:"We also find it with Peter when confessing: ‘You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God’(Mat.16:13-17). This of course doesn’t give any answers regarding the truth of those faith statements."

Hope this is not too off topic for you. It directly speaks to the truth about Peter.

Here are some insights on the true meaning and purpose of 666. Hope this helps clarify many age-old mysteries...

Pay close attention, profundity knocks at the door, listen for the key. Be Aware! Scoffing is blindness...

By the way, symbology is intended to encode and convey very specific and ultimately verifiable information. One aspect of symbology is numeric symbolism. On the other hand, mysticism and numerology are mumbo jumbo based partially on misunderstood ancient symbology and purposeful efforts to obscure what little is known...

666 is a numeric symbol that purposely marks the Vatican/Papacy throughout history, not any single individual. The number 666 is put forth in verse 13:18 in the Book of Revelation and of course, 6+6+6 equals 18, directly matching the verse number and helping to disprove any 616 assertions. The following information on triangular numbers further disproves attempts to hide the truth.

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Men, women, and beasts symbolize organizations and groups of people in all symbolically sealed Hebrew prophecies and Revelation never mentions the so-called antiChrist. 666 is the most famous of all triangular numbers, being the sum of the whole numbers from 1 through 36. Triangular numbers were very important to Greek Pythogoreans and Hebrew wisdom groups purposely used them as pivotal symbolism pointing to Greco-Romans.

Likewise, John 21:11, which speaks of Peter, the supposed first Pope, has the number 21 in its chapter and verse number. 21 is also a triangular number that is the sum of all whole numbers from 1-6, thereby forming a triangle with three 6 point sides, hence a triangular 666.

John 21:11
Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land (earth) full of great fishes, a hundred and fifty and three (153); and for all there were so many, yet the net was not broken.

Additionally, 153 is a triangular number that is the sum of the whole numbers 1 through 17. Also the verse number is 11 and the sum of all whole numbers from 1 through 11 equals 66 and 17-11 equals 6. Why are 11 and 17 important in this verse talking about Peter and 666? The Second Temple period of ancient Israel was during the 11th 360-year cycle on the Hebrew calendar and the 21st century is the beginning of the 17th cycle, which began in Hebrew year 5761, which was Christian year 2001. Thereby, John 21:11 purposely links Peter, the Papacy, 666, and the 11th through 17th cycles on the Hebrew calendar. Notice also that the prophecies of St. Malachy say that the Papacy will end shortly, which will be during the 21st century and 17th cycle? Here is Wisdom!!

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Blogger Jesse said...

Hey
I hope I'm not wasting my time here, because yes, it is too off topic.

But anyway, your theory about the number 666 representing Papacy is very creative, but lacks any historical background.
Here's my theory (or the theory that is most likely in most peoples' opinion). The number 666 refers to one historical person. There are other records of names being 'encoded' in numbers, for example there is and inscription dating from 1 century BC that says: I love her who's number is 545. It is impossible for us now to now that name, because one needs to know the name to be able to see trough the 'code'.
Revelation was written to a specific audience in a specific (late first century AD) context, it would be completely useless to write to them about papacy, which they didn't even think of at the time.
The number 616 most probably was written because one scribe copying revelation thought to recognize an empire's name in it: Caligula.

I think (not without a doubt, but it's definitely most likely) the number 666 stands for Nero. Or more precisely Nero Ceasar. Here's why: in hebrew it is NRWNQSR (sorry no hebrew font on my computer). The value of these letters is: N=50, R=200, W=6, N=50, Q=100, S=60, R=200. Added up is 666. Which makes perfect sense, Nero being one of the worst emperors from a christian point of view, Hebrew being the language that most of the first readers (proselites) would've mastered and understand, and the common habbit to 'encode' names in this manner.

I hope it helps... it's just one solution, but i thnk it's more likely than yours or others that i've come accross.

8:55 PM

 
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